Johnny Caffaro, a trailblazer in the medical sales industry, joins us to share his compelling story of career triumphs and personal transformation. Known for his dynamic personal brand on LinkedIn, Johnny’s rapid ascent at Stryker was as impressive as it was challenging, as his burgeoning fame occasionally clashed with corporate expectations. His experience shines a light on the complexities of personal branding in a professional setting and offers invaluable lessons for aspiring medical sales professionals looking to navigate their own paths to success.

Life threw Johnny a series of curveballs following his departure from Stryker, prompting an unexpected but ultimately rewarding pivot into consulting. With newly forged partnerships with companies like Corganix and OrthoGrid, Johnny found professional stability. However, this external success belied internal struggles as he grappled with significant personal challenges, including health issues, a divorce, and a profound spiritual shift away from the Mormon Church. His journey underscores the precarious balance between thriving professionally and maintaining personal well-being amid life’s unpredictable changes.

In a quest for healing and self-discovery, Johnny embarked on a transformative journey, exploring the spiritual and emotional depths offered by mushrooms and ayahuasca. This path led to profound personal insights and a renewed sense of identity, driving him to prioritize authenticity and familial bonds. With aspirations to open a healing retreat in Costa Rica and an upcoming book, Johnny aims to empower others to embrace their own journeys of growth and healing. Join us for a conversation that is as enlightening as it is inspiring, offering a message of hope and resilience.

Meet the guest:

Johnny Caffaro is a resilient and dynamic professional, dedicated to transforming lives through health, positivity, and well-being. From an early age, Johnny battled against a hip disease that made every step painful. Determined to live fully, he pushed through and pursued football, basketball, and baseball, defying the limits his body set. Despite undergoing three hip replacements, he refused to let pain define him, transforming his obstacles into his life’s purpose.

Graduating from Brigham Young University, Johnny entered the medical field with a mission—to help others who faced similar challenges. His passion for aiding patients and doctors, combined with his unmatched energy and positivity, quickly established him as a valued presence in the operating room, where he thrives even under high-stress conditions.

Johnny’s personal healing journey has been one of exploration and resilience. Through hot yoga, he found physical relief and a sanctuary for his mind, discovering that his body was capable of grace and movement once thought impossible. Breathwork became his lifeline, a way to reclaim control over his body and calm his mind amid pain. Meditation and Epsom salt baths became his daily rituals, dismantling limiting beliefs and building a foundation of self-compassion and inner peace.

Johnny’s approach to life—what he calls “The Caffaro Way”—focuses on service, especially for those facing physical or emotional setbacks. Whether in his personal time or on the job, Johnny’s innate positivity, ability to connect deeply with others, and joy in sharing his story allow him to inspire and uplift everyone he meets.

A passionate traveler, Johnny is constantly on the go, seeking new experiences both professionally and personally. His journey stands as a testament to the power of resilience, the strength in self-compassion, and the possibility of turning pain into a pathway forward. For Johnny, true healing is not just about overcoming physical challenges but about cultivating a mindset of growth, hope, and gratitude, no matter the odds.

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Episode Transcript

00:07 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Hello and welcome to the Medical Sales Podcast. I’m your host, Samuel, founder of a revolutionary medical sales training and mentorship program called the Medical Sales Career Builder, and I’m also host of the Medical Sales Podcast. In this podcast, I interview top medical sales reps and leading medical sales executives across the entire world. It doesn’t matter what medical sales industry from medical device to pharmaceutical, to genetic testing and diagnostic lab you name it. You will learn how to either break into the industry, be a top 10% performer within your role or climb the corporate ladder. Welcome to the Medical Sales Podcast and remember, I am a medical sales expert, sharing my own opinion about this amazing industry and how it can change your life. Hello and welcome to the Medical Sales Podcast Today. We have. Everyone that comes on. The show is special because people are special, but this guy is special to me and special to the EOS community because of the experiences we’ve had with him and the journey he’s gone on, and it’s just amazing. Johnny Caffaro is our new guest today.

01:27
This is an episode you got to listen to. It doesn’t even matter if you’re in medical sales, if you’re not in medical sales, if you’re a doctor, if you’re a patient, whatever you are, this applies Whoever you are. This applies the stuff we get into. You probably won’t hear anywhere else, especially on a medical sales podcast. So you’re going to love it. Whatever you’re doing, make sure you listen to this.

01:52
As always, we do our best to bring you guests that are doing things differently in the medical sales space, and I know you’re going to enjoy this interview. So I guess I would like to believe that most people listening to this know who you are. Right, you’re? You’re I’d hope so. You’re considered. You’re considered. I know people don’t like this name, but I mean it is what it is. You’re considered an influencer in the medical space, and you’re a well-known influencer. So I think us just getting right into everything is fine. So let’s, let’s do that, all right. So I’m going to take us back to I don’t remember the year, but a few years ago, and we had a conversation you had just you know you were pretty much parting ways with Stryker. This was a shock to me because it was so cool. You remember, when you joined Stryker, you did like this the national signing sports.

02:45
I was like if, if, branding was a class. This is like the godfather right here. So it was amazing so, and then and then, you invited me out to that striker uh function. You know, we got to connect, we got to talk to all these striker folks and we got to wear matching outfits, which we did not do on purpose. How?

03:06 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
crazy is that? Right, that was nuts.

03:08 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So you’re wearing some kefaro shoes, right, nice for you bet and I’m gonna say everybody best, best business shoes I own most comfortable best looking. I wear those things. I get compliments every single time man, you designed them.

03:24
They look fly dude, there has not been a day I have not worn them that someone oh man, your shoes are so cool, so, so anyway, all right, so take me back. I guess, take me back to striker. Take me back to that event that I was with you, yeah, and when I talked to you at all these plans, you were excited. I met your GM. After that, what happened with Striker? Why did they you know what happened? That said, that put you in a position to say I’m going to make some choices.

03:59 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah. So I mean I was blowing up I mean you saw me going on LinkedIn like Striker like they helped the brand of my brand as well. So we’re helping each other and I was traveling and I was growing and I was doing so many shows, podcasts and so many different things and they were getting more and more concerned that, as I was growing, that I was overshadowing the brand or like not really doing the work that I needed to do, which was never the case.

04:18 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So hold on, hold on, let’s hang out there for a second. For a second, I think this is worth everybody hearing, because the cool thing about medical sales now is, if you take the time to create a brand on the LinkedIn platform, you can dramatically improve your career. How you do it, but you can dramatically improve your career. So when you say they were concerned, give us some tactics, did the numbers dip a little bit? Were their numbers increasing? What exactly was happening that?

04:46 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
They just saw me everywhere and every person knew who I was within the company and they were just like how is this person so famous? How is this person so? And he’s just a senior manager within the hip division, but every there’s so many divisions that strike right, like 17 divisions. I think everybody knew who I was because of a social platform.

05:08
And so I think in the old days and I get it like there can more concern because, like, if they’re letting this one employee, how what other employees might just like start ramping off and saying stuff? And I get, employees have a right to be able to say, if you’re going to talk about a company, they could be able to look at your page, but, like when I’m personal, when you’re talking about personal stuff, I don’t think they have a right to be able to say if you’re going to talk about a company, they could be able to look at your page, but, like when I’m personal, when you’re talking about personal stuff, I don’t think they have a right to tell you what you can and cannot post. I think that’s my own personal opinion, but I think they were just so concerned that I was everywhere and I was posting and that my job wasn’t getting done, which wasn’t the case.

05:39 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I was actually getting more people excited for Striker, and that’s where I’m lost, because I’m like wait a minute. I get Striker, feeling compromised with your notoriety and with the fact that you can talk about whatever you want, but I still can’t understand the business decision of well, it’s hurting us, yeah, when my conclusion is it’s probably helping them.

06:05 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Oh 100%.

06:06 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Take us there, man.

06:07 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I saw everybody reaching out to me asking how they could be a part of Striker.

06:11 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I’m like don’t you want?

06:12 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
more employee.

06:14 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Yeah, so take us there. And, of course, Johnny, share what you can share. Yeah, what did it look like? Did the manager call you one day? Was it an HR meeting? What happened when they first? Not the whole, you know, we’ll get into that, but when they first said, what did that look like?

06:31 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, they just started saying like we don’t want you going on podcasts, we don’t want you posting as much. I had to meet with Legal weekly to talk about my post Weekly, yeah, so that’s how it was that intense. And then I was at Striker Jr, Striker joint replacement right Striker main Striker, started reaching out to me because it was getting so big, Like it they. So I had to meet with Striker legal, the head of there, and be able to discuss and talk about. And then it just got to a point where they just said we don’t want you posting anymore and we don’t want you on any more podcasts.

07:06 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So I want to understand that. So was it one post turn them off. Oh my gosh, he’s. What did he just say? Get him in here, or?

07:14 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
oh, like that’s. The cool thing is like I was very compliant on everything, like I always made sure that I was like you’ve seen all my content I’ve never done anything.

07:21
Controversy. It just they thought that I was trying to act as a spokesman for the company, when I wasn’t. It was just like hey, I had a great time at this direct interior course, or I had a great time in California with the team out here, and they just thought like I was like trying to be a spokesperson and not really do my job, but in reality it’s free marketing for the company, right when you’re expressing, and so it just like they kept bringing me in. And then I’m going to be honest, my ego was like there and I’m like I was writing my ego and I said, um, no, I’m going to keep going.

08:00
I’m going to keep posting, I’m going to keep. And I shouldn’t have done that. I mean, I should have been more respectful to that aspect. But I and that’s where I left and learned some things about my ego and did some self healing and um, but I just said no, I’m going to keep posting and actually kept posting more. And then we just came up with this, say, hey, I think we need to mutually separate ways, and I just like kind of shocking, but I felt like it was coming because I felt like they just I was ahead of the times, I think in the medical industry, where where I was at and with striker they’re a very close-knit, a lot of red tape, right like I have nothing against them and I don’t, I’d like I don’t have any illimosity towards them, but they’re conservative.

08:42 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Their, their culture is very conservative.

08:44 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, and that’s my thing is like it’s okay, but like I also came from an ego place and I wanted to keep building the brand and so that’s where I’m like, okay, I’m going to just keep riding this wave and leave Stryker and go on the Cafaro way consulting until I disappeared All right, all right.

09:02 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So let’s talk about it. So we’re going to have fun, Johnny. Come on, man, let’s do it. Got to get into it, all right, all right. So, from the time, from the, you know was it an email? Was it a phone call? The first sign of we’re not sure you want you doing this.

09:16 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
What was it?

09:25 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
It was just more of a conversation with my manager.

09:26 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Okay, from that crazy thing is is like I was helping upper management grow their brand as well. Right, right, no, I know like I was getting them on and, yeah, I was showing them how to do linkedin and, yeah, I created the whole social media platform within striker jr and yeah, no, I know, and I was the bad one, I know.

09:38 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay, so from that first gm conversation to your exit, how much time transpired.

09:46 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I mean it was quick, it was probably like a month or so. Wow, it was real quick, a month, yeah. So, like the beginning they knew what they were getting, because that article, Johnny, on Orthopedics this Week the changing face of ortho cells was that big article, yeah, and that was huge. And so they knew that they were getting some kind of influential person as they come into striker. All right, so that’s why I had those weekly calls with legal to be able to make sure, okay, is Johnny going to be compliant in all this post. But then it’s just like because, dude, I was only there nine months, like so okay.

10:16 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So hold on though. So so okay. I guess the better question is how many months were you there before they said hold up?

10:26 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
That’s the thing is like they didn’t it, just like it came to a head so fast for some reason. I don’t know what it was, but like they didn’t tell you, and then they didn’t tell me specifically that they didn’t tell me like you’re doing a bad job. They didn’t tell me to stop.

10:39 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
There wasn’t a certain post that said we don’t like these kinds.

10:43 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
None of that thing nothing, and I always sent my post beforehand illegal to have her run through it and read it. It was approved before you, it was all approved and everything was good up until I. That’s the crazy thing. I still don’t know to this day what triggered it. What was the main like? Let’s get Johnny out, okay, all right.

11:01 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So it is what it is out. Okay, all right, so it is what it is all right. So now we got to talk. Real income is coming from striker. Income is coming from, uh, your brother, who’s? Who’s? Just, you know, one of the best shoe designers in the world, and then, and and your brand you created with him and you’re living your life. Income from striker stops. Yep, how, you know, I know where, where, what was happening, where you were like so what? I’m good yeah.

11:30 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Um, I mean, I wasn’t, but I was, I uh. So I was at Mawa, um, and I was getting ready to go to the direct anterior course that I created with the team and I got told that I can’t go to the course. That legal was going to come to my hotel and give me my uh, my letter of resignation and my severance package Wow.

11:51 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay, hold on. Our audience does not know who Mawa is, please please.

11:55 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Uh, if Mawa, new Jersey, is the headquarters of Stryker George Gotcha Gotcha, okay, yeah, and so I was at the hotel, um, and I went there for meetings and then later on that day I was told not to come to the course. Legal and my boss were going to come to the hotel and give me the package and the signing, which was kind of a slap in the face Because it was our first home course, be able to get this direct entry course, and that’s something that was my baby, that I helped create with my team, and it was a great thing. And and so they came in and they said here’s your severance package and we’re going to part ways right now. Did they continue with the course? Oh yeah, like all, just like all my friends, surgeons that I made friends with they’re like where are you? Why are you not at this dinner? Wow, it’s like bro, they just let me go okay.

12:46
so what happened next? Yeah, so I I get in my hotel room and I just start like I’m thinking I’m like what do I do? I’m like I’ve got to capitalize on something, like I’m really good at creating a brand and creating awareness and create this. And so I started calling all my connections and called all the surgeons that I was working with and say, hey, listen, let’s blow you up. I’m going to create a consulting company. I’m going to be this medical mercenary for you and be able to be this middleman for you to be between these companies and introduce you to be these KOLs. I was just going to be this massive networker guy and be able to blow up and just like, start creating Cause I had they gave me a good, a good three month settlement, a severance, so that that was huge for me and I was grateful for that.

13:31
So I’m super happy with that and so that gave me a runway to be able to create the consulting. But within the first week I was landing deals just left and right, like I was part of companies. And then like, like, like, uh, contracts, contracts, like yeah, like I was like, first contract came in, it was organics, it was a cbd company wow, and I was like wow, that was great. And then another one was ortho grid.

13:55
ortho grid just got purchased by zimmer biomass yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so it’s like I was part of like these really ortho luke and then all ortho masters, like all these orthopedic companies, and then I was also helping individual surgeons connect with different companies. So I was like their agent. It was really cool, like I was their surgeon’s agent.

14:13 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Yeah, you were the first medical sales.

14:19 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
It was like that’s the way I’m bringing you around.

14:21 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
You define new roles, man, come on, all right, yeah.

14:24 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
And so then I mean, dude, I was the hottest thing in August. Like I was wearing fedoras, I was changing the game you don’t wear hats at orthopedics. Like yeah, I was trying to like just make a difference and it worked, but I was still operating out of ego. I think, like, I feel like I’ll show you this is what you missed out on. This is something that like I don’t know, I just like it was and I was still in a lot of hip pain. So cause I’ve had three hip replacements and, for some reason, my hip started acting up again and I’m like man, I have to go through a fourth because I was getting all these recommendations and I’m like gosh, dang, gosh, dang it. Like what is going on? But like, but my career, like everything is successful, but my personal life is dipping like sure, my marriage is dipping like religion. Is this like so? Throughout this time, I left striker, left my career, left my marriage got divorced, okay, left religion the divorce happened after leaving strike.

15:22 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
yeah, ah, yeah, okay.

15:24 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, okay, yeah. And then left Mormon religion on top of it all.

15:29 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I didn’t know that you left. You left Mormon. I did not know that, yeah.

15:33 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Like, I like, and when you leave Mormon religion, you’re not. This is, you’re leaving the community.

15:38 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
That’s a whole nother episode, right there alone. Okay, hold on, we’re getting ahead of ourselves. We’re getting ahead of ourselves. Okay, I want to slow it down just a little bit, because it’s awesome to know that when you left Striker, you were landing contracts. Talk to us about the trajectory of that and did that continue and you had to manage the personal side? Or did that stop and you had to manage it? What happened?

16:05 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
The trajectory was unreal.

16:06
I was making so much money, like it was, and it was like stuff that I loved doing, um, but then it was just like becoming overwhelming and over, like exhausting, and I would feel like almost in the sense that I I was being used in a way where it’s like, oh, this person’s like, it’s like what, celebrities, in a sense they get used for their brand but they’re not getting like true, genuine friendships, right Like, and I didn’t like that, I didn’t like that feeling and it would just became this whole thing.

16:38
So it’s just like my personal life was taking a dip. Like, even though I was making so much money and having so much fun in the medical device, like I wasn’t being present for my kids. Man, like I was always gone and I have five kids and I wasn’t being present at their basketball games, football games. I wasn’t there. And then, if I was there, I was on the phone, because when you start a company, just like as well, as you know, and you’re a one-man show yeah, holy, holy hell, dude Like you are just swamped and like and like I didn’t know how to balance it and I didn’t know how you were trying to build a team at all.

17:13
Because, like I, I was also concerned. I’m like, okay, the Cafaro way, how who else is going to emulate, how I want them to do it Right. Like I had that like kind of ego set like how am I going to train somebody to be Johnny? Because everybody wants the Johnny effect but they don’t want me to hire somebody.

17:30 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So your, your, your business was too contingent upon your face as opposed to showing you know, helping people implement, execute, effective ways to market. It wasn’t that. It was. Put my face on your stuff, watch your brand blow up and you got compromised. And how many places you can put, how many places you can be at one time yeah, a hundred percent.

17:57 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
And so I tried to come up with it. But like I was having one-on-one conversations with so many different people a day, a week, like it was just like I feel like I needed a branch. So I was just like, and I started suggesting people. I was like what if I brought somebody on? Like no, we want your touch. Like we, we see what you do? I’m like damn. Like am I that good? Like somebody can’t emulate what I can do? I don’t think so. Like I’m not like this superstar, like that has the magic sauce. Like I just feel like I just bring good energy and people, stuff get done, did you attempt to build a team or you didn’t.

18:31 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I didn’t, that’s right yeah, for sure.

18:33 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
No, I did. I attempted and brought stuff, but like I think it was more towards the tail end when I was burning out, and then I’m like I’m done like right, so take us there.

18:42 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Man, was it a night, was it a day, was it at breakfast? What happened where you were? Like I’m done.

18:47 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, the pain was so super excruciating. One morning I just woke up. I didn’t sleep all night, I was just rolling in bed in pain, and I was just thinking about everything that I had to do the next day’t. I was actually locked, even more so by this consulting gig, and so then I just called everybody and said I’m done, I, I will finish out the contracts, whatnot.

19:22 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
but um, we’re done and I completely, ultimately just disappeared so when you were the night the, it was a morning. You said you had pain. The morning woke up with pain in the divorce. Divorce has already happened. It was we’re we’re separated, separated strikers gone. Uh, how many months had you, or years, had you been running the, the um the branding business, before this morning? It was probably what it was.

19:53 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
A year, it was, probably December, probably a year close to a year.

19:57 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay, so Hikers, gone, separated, a year of potential financial freedom, but expending yourself to the nth degree. Yep Morning happens. You wake up. You’re like this is no stops, now I gotta reevaluate Yep. Call all contacts, you stop. Like this is no stops, now I got to reevaluate. Call all contacts, you stop everything. What happened next?

20:15 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah. So then I I mean so I’ll get into it, I don’t care. I started doing plant medicine. I did psilocybin because I heard it will help you with pain. It will help you reneuro pathways, help you be able to get unstuck.

20:32 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
You know, so this is new to me. What is that? Like you know, talk to me Mushrooms, yeah.

20:37 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Mushrooms.

20:39 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I know that’s huge Microdosing mushrooms. Yeah, I know some physicians that are doing that and are actually prescribing that.

20:45 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
So yeah, I know it’s life changing. It changed everything. I mean, instead of going right, right, right, right, the mushrooms will help you program to finally go left and create a whole new pattern, and it will be able to show you subconsciously where you keep making that same mistake. So you don’t have to keep performing that again, because the universe is powerful. It’s going to keep showing you that lesson until you finally go left, right. Okay, and so that’s the beauty of it. And so I went on this medicine journey and it showed me a lot of stuff that I needed to work on. And it showed me things that, like where I just kind of just took accountability for everything and I stopped blaming everything on everything, on everybody, and I stopped blaming the marriage that it was her fault. It stopped Like it was. I put every extreme ownership I love that book, yeah, jocko Like 100% all on me. But I was still in pain. But I knew that I was like I’m doing the right thing, I’m stopping, like I’m going somewhere, that I’m in the right direction.

21:43 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So how did you find out about this? Was it a doctor?

21:45 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
that introduced it to you. No, I was at the gym and I was talking to some friends and they said, hey, I just did this mushroom journey and it changed my life. And I’m like, I want to change my life, like, right here please Like I’m good, Like let’s go.

22:02 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Right, right right.

22:03 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
And I’ve never done any kind of drugs like that, like I’ve never. Like I mean, I grew up Mormon. I grew up with like drugs, alcohol. You don’t drink, you don’t smoke you don’t have sex before marriage, all that stuff and so I was just like clean laced kid, and so then I’m like mushrooms, okay, and so there’s different like types of journeys that you do.

22:25 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So, like they say, like five grams or more, is like a hero’s journey. Now is this like? Is it a social circle that’s guiding you, or did you eventually, eventually, have to go to a physician? Or is there a circle that includes physicians? How do you know?

22:36 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
what to do. Great question. So you don’t, I didn’t, I’m Johnny and I just yeah, but most people there’s facilitators that be able to go into a social setting and be able to help guide you through if there’s some darkness that comes in, if’s some deep, like you don’t like shadow stuff, um, but I didn’t know much about it so I did it on my own, yeah, and I took seven grams the first night and it was like it like allowed me to see so much of who I was and where I was going and like my higher self.

23:11
I I believe in higher self and higher being like thank you for stopping where you were going, because where you were going, was a trajectory of like burnout and chaos and destruction, so like for me just to wake up and cancel everything, disappear.

23:28
Take this medicine to show me that I’m on the right path. It was life changing and it showed me where and but like there’s no physician really involved because they there’s, like energetic healers, spiritual healers, be able to help guide you through it. There’s dosages and stuff that you don’t have to, but there’s really no overdosing on mushrooms like you just are just going to have a really good magical trip or you’re going to have a dark one and it just depends on where your head space is at. It’s called set setting and intentions Like what’s your setting look like? What’s your, what’s your intentions look like? And then what are your like intentions for the journey? Like are you here to heal or cause? I’ve never done any kind of drugs partying. I’ve done it more spiritually to be able to heal me Right.

24:11 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Right, right, right, so, okay. So that night happens. You’re like, okay, this is well. What was I mean? You know, did you have a conclusion from that first night that said, okay, I’m going to put myself on a regimen and this is what we’re doing? Or was it more like, okay, I need to explore this way deeper. We need to find the next thing I can do. What? What happened after that night?

24:31 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, you just nailed it. Okay, there was no regimen yet it was uh, I need to go deeper. Okay, I need to go a lot deeper, and the deepest, highest, most psychedelic thing they say is ayahuasca.

24:45 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So so oh gosh, I’ve heard the chills. I’ve heard. So again, I am not lying Everybody. I know physicians that do this and they have whole practices, and so I’ve never done it. But I’ve heard so many people talk to me about was it. Did you have to like join a group and they took you out somewhere? How do you even get your hands on this stuff?

25:04 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, man, so I started doing some research. I started doing like diving in, and Peru and and costa rica are the biggest places that administer uh ayahuasca. You can find it in the states, but it’s it’s illegal in the states and so if we want to talk about you can cut that out or whatnot. But I mean, it is what it is, that’s. It is what it is, but it’s the most healing, but yeah, it’s the healing most incredible.

25:30
And so I’m in marketing. So I Google, I Alaska, costa Rica, and the first top 10 places come up and I know the top seven are just ad and paid and I’m like I’m not going to those ones. So I call number seven and he’s just like okay, um, yeah, let’s get on a video call. And he does like an interview with you to make sure that you’re good and like you’re not this crazy person. And then he’s like okay, it’s going to cost $1,500. And I’m like okay, what’s the process, look like? He’s like there’s probably going to be a group of five to seven and we are out in the jungle of Costa Rica and we do ayahuasca two nights in a row. But it’s a five day retreat and before you go out there you have to prepare no sugars, no salts, like no alcohol, no sex, no, like you got to be as clean, as pure as you can.

26:20 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Those are clean emotionally and physically, oh yeah.

26:23 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
So, like you start meditating, you get prepared for it, wow, and I’m like, okay, this is going to be, this is going to be. And I’m like, okay, this is going to be it, this is going to be my start of everything, my hip’s going to heal, everything is just going to be, just like this magical, amazing place. I get there. And Costa Rica I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Costa Rica.

26:46 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
No, I just went last year, so, yes, unbelievable. The place is like an oasis, it’s gorgeous.

26:53 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
It’s amazing, we went over by la fortuna, over by r and r volcano that’s where I went.

26:57 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I went to la fortuna. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s the hot springs. Yeah, I went to the hot springs and I and I hiked the volcano, yeah, yeah yeah, and so then, um, so we get there and the group was pretty powerful.

27:09 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
There’s a lot of cool people there and, like, a lot of people just searching and seeking and looking for answers. And some people weren’t in pain, they were just looking for the ayahuasca experience, the enlightenment to be able to know, like, okay, like I’m good, and so I had very high expectations, very, very high, because the medicine journey was so good with the mushrooms.

27:29
I’m like this, this is gonna be amazing next level next level I’m leaving the minor leagues okay, like I’m going to the majors like way past, like right, nothing happened the first night, bro, I was so mad, you’re like why am I not?

27:45
feeling anything. I was like I was throwing up which there’s a like that, like there’s something called the purge, like you put out emotions and energy, but like nothing magical happened. And I learned the biggest life lesson of my whole entire life Stop having expectations and you’ll never be disappointed again. That’s what the medicine taught me that night. Because when I left that I the shaman asked around the circle, the facilitator, everybody have one word and say everybody was like saying positive things and I said disappointed. Everybody looked at me like I’m being honest, like I was super disappointed.

28:28
I leave the meeting at 2 o’clock in the morning. I’m sitting in front of my bed looking over the end. I’m just bawling. I’m like why did I come here? What am I doing? This sucks, this is terrible. But then it just registered man, I had high expectations throughout my whole life and I’ve been disappointed so many times time and time again. If I can just leave the expectations at the door and just I’ll never be disappointed again and that was like gold to me. Like I’m, like I can leave this retreat now and be like the best version of myself and not have anything, because that was like pure medicine for me, because I did have a lot of.

29:10
We all have a lot of expectations we do. Yeah, we all have a lot of expectations we do. We grew up in a society of expectations, like you’re supposed to do this, you should do this. Like you’re growing up like, even within the Mormon religion, you have to do this. You got to do this and so there was a lot of expectations and so. So then the next night I’m like come what may, like, come what may, like whatever comes tonight, like I’ll be good, like I have no expectations. If it doesn’t work, I’m just already happy. So I take the ayahuasca, like 10 minutes, 15, 20 minutes into it, I start like touching my toes, stretching, stretching. I get up like in this you’re supposed to be quiet and meditating.

29:48 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Not me dude.

29:49 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I was like moving around stretching towel and the shaman was looking at me. He was like moving around stretching cow, sure, and the shaman I was looking at me. He’s like, he’s like sit down. I was like no, I can’t, like I can’t, and I like stood up and I did a hip thing and it popped, like my hips just popped. All the pain, the emote I’m getting the chills, the emotion, now everything just vanished. Stop, stop, no, bro, like everything you could ever imagine that I held into my hip I’m getting, I have the chills Went away, like everything from childhood to all my hip replacements. All that pain just vanished. Midair, like the ayahuasca healed it and I saw the energy come into the healing of the grandmother they call her and come and heal my hip. And then I was the most flexible person in the whole entire world, like I could bend in half, I could do everything because I was physically healed. But I wasn’t like in the physical realm, I was in the spiritual realm with ayahuasca man.

30:46 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So, hold on, so, hold on. This is awesome, by the way, okay, this is awesome, by the way, okay. So you’re saying that you had a moment of feeling like you were healed, or you’re saying that you had a moment and you were actually healed?

31:08 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I was actually healed. Okay. So Christ Jesus talks about thy faith hath made, made thee whole, and he talks about frequency and energy. I tapped into the high frequency of the healing energy and we healed each other. Like I was open to the healing, I was open to receiving anything that the universe is able to give to me and I had such hope and high like that I could heal myself somehow, some way. That’s why I went down to Costa Rica in the first place and that’s why I wanted to, because my hips were always like the pain body Dude. Nobody understands.

31:46
If you have never lived in chronic pain, it is the absolute hardest thing, day in and day out, to have a good attitude, be able to have that Right. And so I was bending, I was doing yoga. The next morning the pain was completely gone, but I wasn’t flexible or bendable anymore. I’m like, what the hell Like? And then that’s when, like the ancestors throughout the night, my spirit guys Like. And then that’s when, like the ancestors throughout the night, my spirit guys like you need yoga, like you need to go do the work. Now we took away the pain so you could go do the work and yoga. That’s where this regiment came in, I started doing yoga every single day. I disappeared, I went up, you joined a group or a video. I joined a studio right next to my house like I uh went hiking every single day to heal my hips, like to strengthen them, to give them like muscle back and hot yoga. So I did 300 classes last year. So I missed only 65 days Like I dove into the yoga.

32:54 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay, okay, small break, because I want to ask you something. I did hot yoga, gosh, four years ago or something like that. Five years ago. It was amazing, amazing, amazing. I was like, oh my gosh, and I was flexible, but then I got dehydrated. I had to go to the doctor and they were like what are you doing? I’m like I’m doing a hot yoga and they said you need to stop because you’re you’re I think it was my sodium levels were just ridiculously high and affecting my organs, and so they were like you’ve got to stop. And I stopped. How did you?

33:36 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
is it just a matter of drinking more water, or how did you? It’s a, it’s a, it’s a lot of salt and water.

33:36 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Like you can’t, like you’re sweating you’re leaving so much sodium out, and so there’s a lot of hydration packets that you take, the element packets. You’re taking actual things designed for people that take that do hot yoga.

33:41 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Oh yeah, oh yeah. So I mean, I mean, dude, I’m drinking two or three of those packets a day. I’m using I’m also putting Celtic salt in my water, like you just need.

33:51
regular water is not going to cut it if you’re doing a lot of water, but it wasn’t making the yeah, so you need, you need salt salt is the biggest thing and sodium and electrolytes, because you’re leaving, you’re not. You’re leaving a lot of electrolytes and sodium out of the body when you’re sweating like it’s 105 degrees and 50 percent humidity and you’re stretching for an hour like that’s some hard shit yeah, yeah, okay, okay, all right.

34:13 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So you, so you’re doing high yoga. So again, you know, I want to know, financially are you just? You’re still good because you, you had a mask, so much. So all this exploration, it’s, it’s afforded and it’s you can do it it is, but it was dwindling it, it was dropping as you’re going through this experience, the very back of your mind you’re like okay, I’m thinking I need to start heading in the direction of, I guess, a rebirth for lack of a better word.

34:42 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, like, come back. And I mean, I forgot to even mention when I was down in Costa Rica. I went and got a full sleeve tattoo while I was down in.

34:50 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Costa Rica. I knew something was different, man, but I couldn’t put my finger on it. Okay, okay, okay, wow, all right.

34:57 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
A lot of change man Like. I did a lot like so much change Amazing. It was just so much different, Johnny. I feel like I just have come through and like reflected and understood, like I’m not in pain, I’m not coming in from ego, I’m not coming for these praises. I’m like I’m just being, and if I can help one person with my story and like show people that there’s a better way, then that’s all I want to do now. Hell, yeah, okay.

35:22 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
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36:31 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, no, I mean I went back one more time, but it wasn’t just that it wasn’t as impactful. I didn’t need it Like I feel like I was good so I didn’t need to keep chasing, so it’s really it, and I’m asking you know it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s?

36:45 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
ayahuasca is designed to give you a revelation to do something different, as opposed to a continued.

36:51 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, like it’s, it’s called medicine. You’re not. Like, you’re not supposed to refill your prescription because the medicine is supposed to heal you. Like that’s what pharma is so bad on big. Like why are you refilling these medications If it’s medicine? It gives you this massive, resolute revolution, like it gives you the resolute whatever and it gives you this massive peak of like what your life should be sure, where you should go? Sure, but you have to do the work to get there it basically creates the.

37:19
It shows you like the pirates of the caribbean. Here’s a. It shows you the end of the movie okay, and it shows you this amazing movie okay, but you have to find the crew, the script, the island, the location, the film crew. You got to be able to write that. I do all the things to get to that movie. Gotcha Ayahuasca shows you the end. Are you going to do it? Okay?

37:42 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Did the mushrooms continue? Yes, because that was okay. So then, so the I guess what I’m, what I’m, what I want to understand is, if the ayahuasca took away the pain and it’s still gone, is it a matter of the right energy? Hit you at the right time and that was that, and it doesn’t need to be revisited, or not quite.

38:06 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, no, absolutely. I think that was the true healing, true frequency, healing frequency Like it doesn’t need to be revisited, like I have not been in pain since that day. Oh, my God Gosh, I’ve only gotten stronger from the yoga, wow, and I’ve gotten actually a little bit taller, and I didn’t know how I could get taller.

38:29 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Yeah. Okay so then, if the pain’s gone, what was the necessity of continuing the mushrooms? Was it giving you some other added benefit in addition to everything you were experiencing?

38:42 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, it was enlightenment, it was wisdom.

38:46 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Did it keep your head clear? Is that what it is, or not quite?

38:49 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, dude, think about it. You see Mario take a mushroom and he becomes the Super Mario. Right, that’s what mushrooms do? They make you super like super human, super like your brain can think so much faster, clearer. And you’re also getting downloads from these mushrooms that have been here for millions of years, where they had so much wisdom, where it’s, like here, everything’s energy, everything is light, everything is frequency, everything is a mantra Like I am, I am powerful, I’m great. And so I was so enthralled by the wisdom and enlightenment that I was getting. That’s why I would keep doing it. It had nothing to do with pain, it had nothing to do. I was chasing another. And so then that’s when I’m like okay, I got to stop this Because, like, at a certain point, like you don’t need it to do it anymore.

39:40 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Oh, so it’s not. It’s not intended to be something you’re always doing.

39:45 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
No, it should be more ceremonial, maybe once or twice a year. It should be great. But people microdose. Microdose is a whole different thing. Microdosing is great. It’s like 0.3 grams, 0.something grams and it takes you. It can replace Adderall, it could replace any pain drug, it can replace.

40:02 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Oh, okay, so Adderall it could replace any pain drug. It can replace Two different things. We’re talking about Two different things, yeah.

40:10 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I was macro-dosing a lot. I was taking big journeys and having God come in with me and talk about the wisdom of the world.

40:18 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay, All right, we’re thinking about getting back to what we want to do, to, to, to get your lifestyle back. Yep, you’re still separated, going into the divorce, um, and you said you left the religion, so talk to us. You know what, what? Where did that come in?

40:40 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
like what was happening there I mean, the religion thing never really sat well with me as a child. I was always asking questions and I was always like then they don’t want you asking questions, they just like have faith, this is what it is. And I’m like this doesn’t make sense, like this doesn’t really resonate. And so, like man it was, it was tough, difficult. Like my son, he was about you get baptized in the Mormon church at eight years old and he was about ready. He turned eight and I had to call my ex-wife because I’ve been married twice and I said I’m not baptizing my son and she’s like what she’s like what’d you do wrong or what? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

41:20
I was like no, this is a choice, like I, don’t want to, and then I just had twins and I told my wife that. Then at the time I said I’m not going to be blessing the twins either, and that’s when I started unraveling and started showing I’m finally speaking up for myself, I’m finally owning my voice and saying I don’t want to do this. I don’t believe in this. I don’t know if you’ve ever read the book the four agreements.

41:46 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Yes, I have read that, I have it.

41:47 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yes, okay, so when your parents teach you something and that’s supposed to be the word and you’re supposed to always believe it. Yeah, like, that doesn’t that like? And you’re finally stepping out of it and being able to have your own voice.

42:07 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
It takes a lot like it takes a lot for me to religion is probably the hardest uh thing to um to have to no longer have aligned for what you want to do with your life because it’s been so indoctrinated since you were, and it’s for your whole family, your whole community, your friends. I dated in college. I dated a mormon girl for two years and I got entrenched. Oh so you know, I didn’t. I didn’t convert, obviously yeah. I got entrenched in the religion and spending so two years and I got entrenched. Oh so you know I didn’t convert, obviously yeah, but I got entrenched in the religion and spending so much time. And yeah, man, the psychology is profound, it’s genius, profound, it really is, man, it really really is. You do a really good job. It’s amazing what they’re able to accomplish with an individual.

42:46
Okay, so and then, just so we have clarity, the divorce is the second or yes?

42:52 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Second divorce Yep, yep, second divorce.

42:55 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I’ll own that. Yep, hey, man, okay, I know that life, so okay. So second divorce, that’s in the past, the religion you’re leaving Now. When you left, is it like you needed to be excommunicated, or would you just kind of like you know what? I’m not going to church anymore.

43:14 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I’m an extremist bro, like I went to the major Go ahead. A lot of people just leave the church and just don’t go Sure. But then they’re still counted as a member because their records are still part of the church, sure. So I sent a letter into the church asking for my records to be completely removed, like I wanted nothing to do with it. And that’s very extreme in the Mormon religion, like when people do that there’s like Whoa, and I don’t have anything against the Mormon faith or religion. I just evolved. Evolve your excess, I just evolved. I think that’s the beauty of it and that’s what we’re supposed to do in this life is evolve. That’s where I don’t speak ill, where a lot of people leave the church. They speak poorly about it. I have nothing bad to say. I had great values. I learned a lot of people leave the church.

44:07 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
They speak poorly about it. Sure I have nothing bad to say I had great values.

44:08 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I learned a lot of good things. Yeah, I’m just not aligned with it, right, it’s just that’s what it is right.

44:12 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
It’s not about wrong or right. It’s about is it aligned with who you are and where you want to go, or not?

44:16 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
100 right and it wasn’t and the cool thing is is now I get to teach my kids that they can have options and they can have choices.

44:24 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
They might stay, they might go, it’s all.

44:26 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Okay, it’s all okay, I didn’t have that choice. I wish more people would give choice to people instead of saying this is the way, this is the word, this is it, wow.

44:40 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay, where are we in time? Now Ayahuasca journey has completed, we’re deep into the yoga world and we’re starting to think about the rebirth of Johnny’s profession. Where are we in time?

44:56 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, so we’re the bills. I’m going to be straight up Like the money money dried up and I was out of my mind.

45:06
I’ve never been into a position where I I’ve always made really good money my whole career and I think I needed to go through this experience to be able to ask for help. Um, it was very humbling and it was very point I couldn’t pay rent. I got to that point, bro, um, and like like I had to call the landlord and say, hey, I can’t, like I can’t pay it. And that same feeling making that phone call was the same feeling where I jumped out of an airplane doing skydiving. It was just this change of emotion, like fear or adrenaline, right, and it was like it was a very it was a weird, weird experience. But it was a really cool experience too to be able to know what that emotion feels like. And I had to go to my brother and I said, hey, bro, like can you help me? I need help, and it was the most it was. He’s just like gave me the biggest hug and he’s like, honestly, he’s like this is the best version I’ve ever seen, Johnny cafero, and like I really appreciate who’s showing up, even though you’re in a hard spot right now. I I commend all the work that you’re doing to be able to put yourself and your children in this spot and he’s like I would be more than glad to help you in any way possible. Yeah, and I was like, wow, like that just hit. So yeah, it hit man like it. And I knew that I had support and so that was a beautiful thing.

46:35
And so then I knew, like I, I got, I gotta get back like I I’ve I’ve gotta leave the spiritual I. There’s a saying you gotta be in the world but be in the world but not of the world. I was not in the world at all. Like I was yoga hiking, healing, yoga hike, a healing Like I was just on this mat, I wanted to heal man Like I wanted to, just like. So when I came back I knew I wanted to be better, I wanted to be a part of something great.

47:01
And so I got like my life insurance thing and I was doing a lot of different things. Um, and I landed this really big deal and got a commission check that paid off all my debt for branding of another company. Yeah, just just doing something on the side, got my life insurance license and so like that was a beautiful miracle in itself, paid back, my brother paid back, everybody that I owed paid off all my debt. I’m like okay, like thank you, universe, thank you for letting me go poor to back to where I used to be. And then Peter Varelo and I were talking for a long time. He’s the CEO of Redefine Surgery. He’s like, hey, Johnny, like I want you, but not yet. I’m like okay, like I want you, but not yet. I’m like okay, like I, I know it’s going to be big, but like I want you, but like you just know, like it will be okay. And so then I was helping out with this nonprofit and it was, it was good, but it wasn’t.

47:54
It wasn’t anything that I like was a part of like you know, my passion, like I love being in the medical industry, I love like bringing the heat and the fire to that. And so then, as I was parting that nonprofit and they were helping out and they’re doing that, Peter called me.

48:10 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
he’s like hey, it’s time.

48:11 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I’m like, yes, it is Because I am ready to be able to be seen again in a different light. And this company I wanted to be a part of something that’s so revolutionary, so changing the medical industry, because I changed so much. I wanted to couple this together and ride this wave, and this company is just going to change everything.

48:37 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay, okay, man that’s exciting, all right. So can you share what your position is in the company or you can’t? No, absolutely I’m ahead of growth. Okay, awesome, awesome. So what can you say? Can you share what your position is in the company or you can’t? Yeah, no, absolutely I’m ahead of growth. Yeah, ok, awesome, awesome.

48:48 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
So branding You’re going to get a lot of growing. That’s so exciting, all right.

48:54 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
OK, so what was going on with the family dynamic during your discovery phase? During your discovery phase, you know, when you were going to Peru and Costa Rica and trying to figure it all out, how were you sharing what you have to do and what they need to understand with your kids, with your ex-wives?

49:19 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing, the hardest thing is is that I think my family thought I lost my mind and that was hard to see because I knew I was like, honestly, I was trying to lose my mind so I could find it. There’s a saying lose your mind to find yourself. But they just thought that I was just being reckless, not understanding or taking care of myself, or. But then, like, my family like kept on sending me mormon messages and hey, come back to the church, you’ll be okay, like everything’s okay. And so then I had to, like honestly, remove myself from the family group chat. Wow, I’m like I completely had to, had to yeah, you had to have to.

50:02 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Separation. I had to, I had to, I had to lead and not have your journey interrupted.

50:07 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
And I honestly didn’t, and I stopped calling everybody. I stopped like I didn’t want anyone’s opinion, I didn’t want anyone’s advice. I needed to finally understand what like Johnny would do, like I would call everybody about every decision. Sure, what do you think about this? What do you think about? Yeah, and like my exes thought I was like I was crazy, but like I was always still trying to show up for my kids and I was here a lot more for them as well. So it’s like I would travel when I didn’t have the kids, but then I, when I’d be here, I’d actually be a lot more present with them.

50:43
Like, yeah, and they noticed big time. Like, bro, I changed, like I changed my number completely. Like I like nobody could get ahold of me. Like I completely vanished LinkedIn. Like phone calls, like I didn’t even need a phone, like that’s the cool thing. Like I became like almost like a monk in itself, like don’t talk to me, no one can reach me. So the kids and I noticed it and they loved it. Like I was pushing them, having them come on hikes with me and I was teaching them to yoga and I brought them to yoga with me. I made activities with the kids like so impactful. Remind us what age range the kids are again yeah, 11 year old boy, 10 yearold girl and two-and-a-half-year-old twins that are boy and a girl.

51:28 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
How old are the twins? Two-and-a-half years old. Oh gosh, you’re in the trenches, joey Trenches, you are in the trenches, yeah, man.

51:37 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, man, but it’s been beautiful and I love the fact that, like we are so present, we talk about the things like I get. I don’t push anything, I just teach. Hey, guess what I learned today in this?

51:48 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
world.

51:50 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Guess what I learned about energy. Guess what I learned about Christ consciousness, or cosmic consciousness and there’s like oh, that’s really cool. And I’m like and if it resonates with them, it does my daughter. She doesn’t like the stuff that I talk about. She still likes being in the Mormon and that’s great.

52:05 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
And I’m happy for her, no problem.

52:07 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I don’t push anything upon anybody. Like I’ll tell people my journey and I don’t know how many people will listen to this and like, wow, that guy is crazy, he’s lost his mind. Or if I help one person by telling my story, like you can do this too Great.

52:26 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Like I don’t care because whoever’s supposed to be with me will be with me and whoever’s not, goodbye, and you know, and you know what that’s tied to what no?

52:31 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
no expectations, exactly like none, none, bro, like I. I don’t care. No, I’m gonna. I. There’s a song from the greatest showman this is me. Yeah, this is who you will get. I grew my hair back out for and I don’t care. You’re not supposed to like have a long hair. Like I wear crystals now, man, like I’m like a hybrid yogi, you are unapologetically yourself, as exactly I love it 100 and it took me a long time to get here.

52:59 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Yeah wow, okay, okay. So now growth of redefined surgery kids, family back in a good place, I’m assuming whatever arrangement you have with the ex-wives back in a good place, yep.

53:14 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Everything’s magical man. Like everything is even better than whatever. Like ever expected. Yeah, Like work-life balance is incredible. Ceo gets me. He has no handcuffs on anything that I do. Like I get mad at him if he’s not doing what I asked him to do. Like it’s a beautiful relationship. Peter’s one of the greatest guys you’ll ever meet. Like man. I I’m in a place where I just I feel so lucky and blessed, but I it didn’t. It came with some hardship, Like I did the work.

53:49 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So, uh, the Cafaro shoes, your brother, you know, are you still involved with that? Is that still something that you do, or is that more?

53:58 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, so we were actually just as I came back, cause I disappeared from that too, and we came back together just two weeks ago and I was like, let’s go, let’s go on a ride, like let’s take this to a better and higher journey. And he was pumped. He’s like cause me and my brother are completely different. The guy is the man, but like he likes to be behind the scenes operation, he’s got the brain behind it and I’m like I’m the go-getter, the face of it, like I want to be able to. We just voiced each other’s concerns and sat down and I’m like he’s like, okay, let’s do this. And I like, let’s be a part of this. And he’s like, let’s make this a brother company and make this massive and have fun with it. I talked to Peter, my CEO at Redefine. He’s like, dude, let’s do it. So I got us all purple shoes because our company’s purple for August coming up, so we’ll all be rocking purple Cafaro shoes.

54:51 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Like I got to get another pair man, I know we got to get you. That is. That is awesome. You know I can’t help, but ask because I can’t get on my head Are you documenting all this stuff, Like, do you got like video or do you? Do you bring a journal with you? I mean, tell me you did or no?

55:09 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Yeah, man, I’ve. I’ve documented everything and I’m close to done writing my book. Yeah, so my books can. I’ve been meeting with a publicist and this book’s coming out pretty soon. Gosh, that is so free. It’s talking about my childhood, of how I overcome all this stuff, and it’s going to be powerful, and I think it’s called the Never Give Up Johnny Farrell story. Never Give Up.

55:30 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I love it. When is it coming out?

55:32 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I don’t know when it’s like that, that’s up to me. I got to finish it Like I got to.

55:39 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
I want it to be out by Christmas. Like and I I said I feel a documentary coming to the book. You got to start, just for sure. Just have that camera rolling as you’re, as you’re experiencing the rest of life, man.

55:50 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Exactly Because it’s a whole new league. I have a lead, a new lease on life. Man, yeah, and you look like, yeah, and I’m so blessed and like I’m so happy to be a part of this amazing company too with redefine, and like there’s just so much joy that I have man, like everybody asks me how are you?

56:07 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
and like I am magical, like I really am, like I, I love being magical so when, when, when was the redefined declaration that you’re going to be head of growth?

56:18 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
uh, it was two and a half three weeks ago.

56:21 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay so I guess what I want to know is, from that moment to the decision that you’re going to professionally recreate yourself how long, how much time?

56:34 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
passed. I mean it took that. I mean I was at that nonprofit for a little bit. It was probably a good six, seven, eight months before I realized that like okay, this is Johnny, because it’s hard man, it’s hard to transition, to come back in yeah. Yeah, yeah, I wasn’t posting, I wasn’t talking about anything and I was a little scared to tell my journey on LinkedIn because, like, who’s going to listen?

57:05 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Everyone’s going to listen. And now it’s like Everyone’s going to listen, everyone and their mom and dad. You know when I think about it, man, this all happened in a relatively short amount of time. Yeah, man, it felt like I’d been on a rocket ship. Yeah, your, your development and your experience, it’s pretty tight, and that’s that’s again. That is amazing, uh, because here you are, head of growth, repositioned in in record time and onto things bigger than you’ve ever done. I mean, come on, man, like you can’t make this up.

57:45
Wow, wow, I love it, man, I freaking love it.

57:48 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
So that’s why I wanted to come on and talk to you again and be on this Cause, dude. I love our platform, I love our chats and that’s why, when I reached out, I’m like bro, we got, we got. I want to tell my story and I want it to be a part of something that’s bigger and greater.

58:09 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
So heck, yeah, this is. This is just flat out gold to hear your story. So I don’t even know how to ask it, but I’ve got to ask it because I don’t know how else to ask it. What’s the goal? Now, I understand no expectations. But do you even have, like, a perfect world scenario? Or, because there’s no expectations, you don’t have a perfect world scenario. Like, how are you thinking about?

58:25 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
life now no, man I appreciate you asking that I I do have some things that I have in mind. Like I, I honestly do want to create like a retreat, like center in Costa Rica. I want to be able to create a farm to table food experience. I’m so going to be there. I want to, um, I want to facilitate the healing. Yeah, that I felt to people. Um, it was one of the most magical experiences.

58:52
So I wouldn’t be able to create that for people, and I think the beginning of that is my book and coming on to these shows and telling my story. And because I’m not just a medical device cells, I’m not a head of growth, I am. I am Johnny and I am healed and I am a being of light and I want to be able to make people believe that they are too, because we all are, and I want to be able to create that. And so I see me helping redefine surgery become this massive success, have a huge exit. Then I take that money and be able to go and create this amazing retreat and be able to create this amazing oasis for people and just build towards that and get closer to that and be able to have this like heaven on earth kind of experience. So that’s, that’s down the road. But I mean everything’s happening fast, so we don’t I know, I mean you.

59:42 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
You make this happen pretty quick, my friends so down the road with it, but not that far down the road. That’s awesome, man. You know people are listening to this right now and I’m sure some people are like, wow, what a story. If you want anyone to take away from what they just heard, what is the number one thing? You want anyone listening right now, regardless of the, I wanted to get into medical sales. In medical sales, leading medical sales, physician, surgeon, whatever, what would you?

01:00:08 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
want them to take away. You are your own guru. You are your own teacher. You are. You have all the answers inside of you. Believe in yourself. Don’t put give your power away to anybody. Don’t keep asking people that, like I gave my power to so much away to people that I had all the answers within and I just had to go within, shut out all the noise around you, put yourself in an environment where you can be able to have the answers come to you, whether it be in prayer, meditation, yoga, medicine, I don’t know but like, you are your own healer, you are your own best teacher. You are your own God, savior, messiah. You just need to know that, having those self-limiting beliefs go away and everything can open up for you. And that’s where I believe. Where I’m at, I know that who I am is going to be able to heal myself, like that’s why I had so much belief. Like I’m going to heal this hip. I’m going to heal this hip, healed, gone, like next what else do I need to?

01:01:16
heal Trauma, abuse, psychological stuff Like let’s keep going, let’s keep doing the work, but it’s just heal yourself, believe in yourself. I believe I don’t know if people believe, but there’s something called chakras and that’s the seven chakras and there’s mantras that go with it. It’s like I am, I have, I feel, I love, I speak, I see, I know. When you’re in your knowing man, there’s nothing stopping you. So be in the know. I know that I am powerful, I know that I am strong, and I think that’s where it’s like be in your knowing, know who you are.

01:01:56 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
And be unapologetic about it. Exactly, 100%. Dude, Johnny, thank you for this message, thank you for coming on the show today. Um, this, this is fantastic, man, and you made my day. I mean, I knew things were good, but I did. I, you know, I had no context. You gave me all the context in the world today. So thank you for that. Absolutely, man, I really appreciate you having me. Excellent, um, so now you know it’s been a while, but there’s one thing we do before we let anybody go, and so I’m going to do with you. Know it’s been a while, but there’s one thing we do before we let anybody go, and so I’m going to do with you too, and it’s a lightning round. Are you ready? Yeah, all right. So I’m gonna ask you four questions. Okay, you have less than 10 seconds to answer, and yeah, here we go. So first question what is the best book you have read in the last six months? The yoga of Jesus.

01:02:49 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Jeez who wrote that? Yoga Pragananda.

01:02:52 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Okay, that will be on the list, folks, all right. What is the best TV show or movie you’ve seen in the last six months?

01:03:02 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
Ooh, Um, I’m going to get so much hate for this, but I loved Bridgerton.

01:03:09 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Hey dude, okay, look between you and I and then everybody else listening. I’ve never seen, well, I don’t even know. I never saw the main show, but I saw the show about the queen. Oh yeah, queen Charlotte Dude, good, good show, I know. I’m over here like wow, this is I, like I liked bridgerton man. I’ve never seen it, so now, now I have to check that out when the free time comes. Okay, next question what is the best meal you’ve had in the last six months?

01:03:38 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
we want the restaurant, the location and the item oh yeah, I mean, I was just in in Denver last week at Shanahan Steakhouse and I had the sea bass and it was like phew, because I don’t eat a lot of steak anymore, not a lot of red meat, because as I go through my diet and changing so, the sea bass was incredible.

01:04:00 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
That will be in the show notes. And then, last but not least, what is the best experience you’ve had in the last six months?

01:04:15 – Johnny Caffaro (Guest)
I was writing my book the other night and I was crying because I was reliving some emotions during my hip pain, pretty, pretty hard crying. My son just comes up and puts his arm around me and says I love you, dad. He’s like I’m right here for you and just hugs me and just holds space for me and I’ve never like I’m like man, I’m doing something right for him to be able to do something like that for me. So that man being here for my kids, that’s the best thing for right now. The last six months.

01:04:40 – Samuel Adeyinka (Host)
Wow, amen, Johnny was awesome man. We can’t wait to see what you go on and do with reading and your brand and when I get my next pair of shoes, let’s go. Thank you so much for being on the show today. Absolutely, I think what’s so cool about being able to talk with individuals like him is you really don’t know what people are going through. You don’t know what they got going on. You literally especially on LinkedIn, right, you literally see just the results. You literally see just the results, whether good or bad. But to hear the journey and to go into the depth of what was being felt, what was being seen and what was actually done I mean, that’s, that’s what it’s all about. That’s where people learn the most profound lessons, that’s where people get the most inspiration. That’s when people can really effectively create their own next action steps. I really hope that’s what this episode did for you in whatever your journey is currently looking like.

01:05:57
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